In short responses of 5-6 sentences, discuss the following:
- Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
- What is so "victorious" about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time when you lost.
- Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. Give an example of how this plays out in your own experience or observation.
- Respond to TWO of your classmates' posts. Go beyond restating their ideas and say more than "I agree" or "I disagree". Discuss the ideas they have posted.
- Are the ideas valid? Why?
- Are there some things they should consider further?
- Is there some logic missing?
- What other ideas compliment what they are discussing?
Please finish all posts by our next meeting. You should have a minimum of 5 posts, total.
Elijah A.
ReplyDelete09/10/14
When I was a freshman, my geometry class was very hard for me because I wasn’t that understanding in math. I would move a lot slower than the other kids and sometimes I wouldn’t talk at all. But my teacher saw this and told me that because I didn’t comprehend the material that well, I had potential to be better at the subject than the other students. This motivated me. Sure enough, towards the end of the year I was answering questions more quickly and correctly, and my grades looked better than the kids that started off better than me. It was because I was failing and wanted to better that I studied harder and eventually became a pro at geometry. This is the “victory” I gained out of my losing experience. I feel the larger cultural message we send to our youth by saying that if you show up you succeed, is that in this country, we accept below average work ethic and even praise it.
Elijah,
DeleteI agree with your cultural message that says that when showing up to success, people accept below average work ethic. It's a good message for our youth today. Also, both of our stories did have a similar connection and different meanings toward our "victories." Overall, I agree with your ideas and good job on achieving the victory
Elijah,
DeleteI can relate a lot to how your first experience with geometry was, but for me it was algebra 2. At first i was really confused with all the variables that were given. But overtime my teacher explained it to me and i began to understand it.
A. Suarez
ReplyDelete09/10/14
A time that I lost more than I won was assuming that I got good grades the second marking period of my Sophomore year. I thought that I did good cause of how easy tests were in my class. However, when I got my report card, I was shocked to see my grades. Instead of getting A’s and B’s, I got C’s, D’s, and one F. I was disappointed in myself because I thought that I did good and won the second marking period by getting good grades, but I lost cause of my bad grades.
What’s “victorious’ about losing is that you learn from your mistakes. You learn from your mistakes and try to do a better job for the next time. For example, when losing a baseball game cause of a mistake that happened. You remember how the mistake happened and then try to be cautious if the same scenario happens again. By doing that, you become ‘victorious’ when you lose.
The large cultural message that as to deal with living rooms being filled with participation trophies and implied by just showing up to the program and succeeding. What the culture is implying is that kids have no competition and that kids can be lazy. They can be lazy because some of the kids go to the program and do nothing. When they do nothing, they then get a trophy for just participating in the program when they did nothing. An example would be a kid being in bench for the whole program when they are in a little league program and they get a trophy because they participated in a program.
Anthony,
DeleteYour story is quite similar to mine except that I was aware of the bad grades I was getting. I know that seeing those grades must've been very disappointing since you scored so highly on your tests. It's happened to me before too, and I can honestly say that level of disappointment; when you think you're doing great then find out you actually aren't doing so well, is far worse than just knowing how badly you're doing. So for you to come from that stronger than before (like I did) tells me that your comeback was probably 10 times more great than mine was. Therefore, your "victory" was more of an accomplishment. Than again, me dealing with my problem the whole way through and then coming back stronger might argue that my "victory" was just as sweet. In my opinion, yours was better. Yet regardless, we both achieved something much more than what was expected of us, so I commend you for that.
Elijah,
DeleteI like the way you handled your response to Anthony. You pointed out the relationship between ideas (both the differences and the similarities)and the outcome without being repetitive or adding "filler".
Anthony,
DeleteI particularly enjoyed your insight about turning a loss into a victory-- but unlike what the article describes, it's a genuine victory... eventually.
I'd like to see your third response contain more original material. As it is now, it gets repetitive and needs a bit more thought.
Ulises Herrera
ReplyDelete09-10-2014
Recently, I joined a bowling tournament with a couple of my buddies. I never really played bowling so it was hard for me to catch up to my teammates who have years of experience. I would always mess up which would lead us to losing our match. My teammates would try to encourage me but I knew I had to pick up my game. After weeks of losing, I finally decided to take more time to practice and get better. Weeks after that I started seeing results. From weeks and weeks of losing, I finally got the chance to show off what I had practiced for and finally help my team get our first win.
In order to win you have to learn how to lose, winning isn’t everything. You have to learn from your mistakes and always improve so make sure you don’t commit the same mistake twice. Playing varsity soccer in high school was a huge learning experience. When the ball goes out of bounce depending who touched the ball last the opposite team gets possession of the ball inform of a throw-in. When I went to do the throw-in, I lifted my foot off the ground. The rules for throw-ins consist of keeping both feet on the ground while preforming the throw-in. I made a mistake, lost possession of the ball for my team, but from that day on it would never happened again.
During high school there were kids who would always show up to class resulting in perfect attendance. Anyhow, some of these kids would still end up failing the class. They would just show up, but all they do it browse the web, hear music, or just communicate with another classmate. They wouldn’t pay attention to the class complete the homework or assignments. When it came to quizzes and test, they would flunk them since have no idea what they are doing. So, just showing up does mean you’re going to succeed, which in this case is passing the class.
Ulises,
DeleteYour anecdotes have a lot of relevance to the ideas we are discussing-- go one step further and make the connections to the point you are discussing for your reader. That would complete your analysis and fully explore your points.
I have a question about the "just show up" mentality you are describing; Why do you think students expected to show up and pass without working for it??
Completely agree with your concept on not committing the same mistake twice, learning how to be a loser is the lesson and winning is something that should be gained. On your last paragraph, I had the same problem in high school with athletes except they would actually pass the class and have special privileges which is mind boggling because that gives some truth to showing up and succeeding.
DeleteI agree that winning isn't everything but it's everything to the person who works hard towards it. Your example in the bowling tournament is a good example of two kinds of winning. You started off losing but worked towards improving which is one and doing so you helped your team get their first win which is two. Like you said in order to win you have to know how to lose.
DeleteRoger B
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DeleteI totally understand how you felt when you first started bowling. Although i was in a different sport i had to go through almost the same thing. Like you, i also had no experience, compared to my team mates. I was constantly letting them down and this was very frustrating. After some time of practicing it also became easier for me and i finally started performing better. I'm glad you didn't give up and kept on practicing.
DeleteWhen I was younger I use to love playing football I use to play with people much older than me because like how tuff they played but every time I went on a team the team I was on somehow ends up losing most of the time more often than we should of won. I didn’t know if it was because of me or what but that the time was I ending up losing more than I should have won. But I never really took the lost too hard because I knew it was just a game. And beside us all knew each so none of us were mad right after all those games we played were over. At least they were fun the play.
ReplyDeleteI remember a time when I use to play basketball with my boy Steven me and he always loved playing ball like it was a job for us. Then one day we wanted to play one on one to see who was a better ball player me or him. Game was 12 me and him went at it back and forth but somehow he won out of no were and I lost. I didn’t take the lost to hard I actually learned a lesson to never take a lost to hard it actually helped me improve my game to get even better than I was before. Even if I lost I didn’t care because of the lesson I learned while play basketball.
Well my observation and experience about cultural message by showing up and succeeding what this is for me is school. Why you may ask well in many different cultural school is one of the most implied thing there is all over the world. They tell you by showing up to school you would learn how to succeeding in life not only that but in many other ways as well. They also say that by show up in class on time do your work all the time and all the above is just a different way of say showing up and succeeding. That just my observation but my experience would be that I would have to agree with coming to school in any different cultural by showing up you will succeed take it from some who is going to school and is succeeding from it.
Styven Carballo
Styven,
DeleteI liked how your football team handled their loses and how you didn't see it much as losing but having fun with your teammates. Everything isn't about winning but how you make the best of it such as how the whole team did their best together. I could tell you could handle your loses especially when playing basketball with your friend Steven. I definitely agree with you that when showing up in school you do actually learn something. I think for most students school is exhausting especially sitting there and listening to the teacher speak throughout the period but at the end of the day you actually learned something because of your participation in class.
Michelle Gonzalez
I think its good that you took your loss in a good manner, you didn't let it effect the game you were playing with your friend. You learned what you were doing wrong and it helped you improve in basketball.
DeleteTIFFANY CEIJAS
Styven, I understand what you're saying about needing to show up in order to succeed. Hey, that's half the battle sometimes, right? I'd like you to focus specifically on the idea that the article discusses-- showing up without the skill or hard work it takes to succeed. How does your response relate to that idea?
DeleteThank you Michelle, I agree fully in making the best out of something is the best thing anybody could do. Why fuse and fight over a lose when you could just be happy to you got to play and be together as friends. Sitting there does get a little boring but at like you said you end up learning something at the end.
DeleteThank you Tiffany, it really did help me improve in basketball. Either you win or loss your'e always going to learn something new. I always take my losses in a good manner because then you'll just be miserable.
DeleteCristian D.
ReplyDelete9/10/14
I remember being a kid playing soccer, I was in love with the sport that I will always enter matches but in those matches I lost. I tried again I lost again and I will ask myself what am I doing wrong? I enter myself in so many matches that I actually hurt my back trying to figure out why I kept losing I still went at until I couldn’t play anymore I was upset until I realize why I loss so much, the other players were better than me I strive to become even better but at the end I just kept losing and the worst part of it I hurt my back, it was a lose lose situation.
I learned a lot when I lost to be honest, going back to the soccer matches I did, I gave up and I was really upset in the begin but at the very end I learn that it’s just a game and that winning isn’t everything, I learn that losing is a part of life everyone has those time when they lose, and that evening when losing you should always learn from the loss instead of complaining. I will always keep this lesson in mind and I’m proud I learn this lesson at a young age.
Nowadays kids all over the world have learn that when showing up is the way to succeed and I have heard that from many people, but what would they learn from experience, this message implied towards to not only kids but adults as well because you can’t receive something for doing nothing you have to work hard for it, I learned that the hard way. People must know that there’s no such thing as easy work.
Cristian, I can absolutely relate to your struggles and to your resolve! I also respect the fact that you are willing to be honest with yourself and others about the fact that sometimes, people are just going to be better than us no matter how hard you try.
DeleteNatalie Alvarado
ReplyDelete09/10/2014
There are many times when I have lost more often than won, for example in conversations or arguments with my mother, she always has to be right, there is no telling her she is wrong. Even though sometimes she’s actually wrong, I lose in every conversation I have with her. I’ve accepted the fact that losing with her is better than winning.
Personally I believe that there is always a victory in losing. Every time there is a lost, some type of lesson comes behind it. For example, when applying to an essay contest in middle school and receiving 2nd place, I learned that hard work and dedication is what matters. Staying up all night to work on the essay and knowing I got it done and wrote an amazing piece is what mattered most. There would always be another contest and another prize, not giving up was the lesson. Also receiving excellent feedback from my favorite teacher as well as students put more happiness in me then winning the contest.
The larger cultural message implied by “showing up and succeeding” I believe is giving people the right to be lazy and not actually put in the hard work that it takes to make in this generation. I personally see a lot of this now a days, in high school I knew a couple athletes who would show up to class, goof around, do zero amount of work and still pass the class. While someone like me had to do all the assignments and all my assignments from other classes. How is that fair? Simply because they are athletes they received special attention from teachers. In the news there has also been a lot of reports of situations like these occurring in colleges, athletes losing their scholarships and dreams all for being lazy and for teachers giving the students the ability to actually be lazy.
interesting story of how you got second place on a essay contest and the fact that you receiving excellent feedback and that you consider it more better than a prize. i agree that the message of showing up and succeeding just gives people the right to be lazy, because to be honest how would they learn from experience, i had had the same experience when athletes just show up and do zero work and still get credits. which it really isn't fair at all, eventually they are going to be lazy. so i agree what where coming from with the example.
DeleteI do agree on the whole athletes having it much simpler than regular students. I've heard stories of it happening in some high schools my friends were attending. Though the high school I was from the football coach was also the disciplinary of the school. So the grades were always first. But yes, just showing up for attendance and doing nothing to gain the grade is totally bogus.
DeleteNatalie,
DeleteGreat job winning second place with your essay. Hard work and determination is definitely worth it in the long wrong especially when you get great feedback from your teachers and family. It mustve felt great to notice that staying up late and putting your all into this writing piece gave you a good outcome.
I completely agree with your last paragraph on athletes getting away with a lot way easier. They actually need the grades and yet they manage to get away with not doing the work that everyone else is doing. Just because they're playing sports for the school shouldn't really determine much cause there could be athletes playing outside of school. Overall, good point made.
I agree with you, mothers always win. You could never tell them anything because to them they are always right. Even though most of the time you lose in the conversation, you win because you have your'e mother and you know that she's always going to be there for you even to pick a fight with. I have also seen teachers let athletes slide on doing there work and stuff while i had to do all my work on time to avoid getting a zero. It's simply not fair but that's just how some people are, lazy, and unfair. But congratulations to you on getting second place, you totally deserved it for working had on it.
Delete- Styven Carballo
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ReplyDelete-Discuss a time when you lost more than you won
ReplyDeleteA time I lost more than I won was while I was playing in a basketball game and there was a few seconds left on the clock. I was the fastest person on the team so they really counted on me for most of the things. There was 10 seconds on the clock and the other team had the ball, as one of the girls shot the ball they missed there shot. It was up to me to get the ball back and try scoring a point for us to win the game. I got really nervous because all the pressure was on me and we lost the game.
-What is so “victorious” about losing?
What is “victorious” about losing is that you can learn from the mistake you have made and the next time you do it better. A lesson I learned is that you can’t always be nervous to achieve something you just have to go on and do it. Playing basketball is one of my hobbies but if you’re too nervous to do something you won’t be able to make your shots. You have to have confidence in the sport you play and believe that no matter how hard to try you’re not always going to get your shots in. You have to practice and practice until you can make them in like nothing.
-Discuss the larger culture message implied by showing up and succeeding.
By showing up to your practices you don’t always get what you want. There was people on my team that always showed up to the practices but were never able to play. Most of them were benched during all of our games. Just showing up doesn’t make the difference is the work you put while you are there. You have to show them that you are working hard and you are dedicated to what you are doing in order for them to put you in the game at least once.
-Tiffany Ceijas
i agree with what tiffany stated, nothing is easy without some practice. Basketball is a very hard dedicating sport,you have to give your all in order to be able to get playing time. Unless you're naturally a good basketball player you have to practice and practice for a while until you somewhat perfect your shots. This is a great example on if you show up t practice thats not all you need to do to actually be successful in the sport and get rewarded. You need to try your best because if not you're just going to be benched and thats not fun at all. that should motivate many players to try their best and practice and do everything they can for those few seconds on the court. with all of that confidence does come along with it, you have to believe in yourself and believe that you can do it. Motivate yourself to be better and it will help. like tiffany said, if you're too nervous you won't be able to make the shots, so you do have to build up confidence and believe in yourself and you will have it all in the bag. I definitely agree with tiffany's statements, hard work doesn't come easy.
Delete-Franchesca Bourdier
Leila Fragiacomo,
ReplyDeleteThere’s many times where I lost more than I won, but the most recent time I lost was this summer with my health. It’s been two years that I’ve been feeling sick and had muscular spasms and I always neglected these symptoms. This summer I went to my country to have a checkup, with my personal doctor. The doctor told me something was wrong with me and unfortunately through exams they found a sickness that I now have. I see how I lost, because I was careless, and neglected all these symptoms and I left all for the last minute. Even though it’s not nice to live with a sickness , I see it as a good thing , because it teaches me how now I have to take care of my self and not neglect minor symptoms and to always speak up when I see something is going wrong. Also , due to this I am now losing a semester at my university. After all , it was a good lesson to teach me how to be more responsible and alert.
The victory of losing, is the lesson we learn from it, and we learn from our mistakes and we try not to fall back into them. For example, my biggest “losing” was in school. I was never an A student, and I never put myself to the maximum of my capacities. Obviously this had many consequences in my life, but every year that I would start school again, I would get better and better. Why? Because I learned that if I don’t do anything I will never go anywhere in life. Therefore, by this losing I learned how to succeed, by my bad grades and behavior, I learned how to be a better student and a better person. Losing it’s definitely necessary in some people’s lives, so their eyes can be opened to the truth and to help them get back on track and be victorious.
Many people think that in order to successful you need to be in 10 clubs, have all as, be the perfect student, etc.… but just by simply showing up you are already succeeding. For example, in high school I was an average student, not the best one at all, I was not involved in many things, but my attendance was perfect. At the end of the school year, I received a trophy for best attendance student and I did not expect it at all. I also passed all of my classes with not the highest grades but with time they got better. I learned how just showing up and listening and by just simply being organized and do your work, can get you very far.
Your example of a time when you lost more often than won is breathtaking, you have truly been taught a lesson, even it be such a shocking one, I appreciate you for your honesty and sharing this with us. Definitely opens ones eyes to be aware of our surroundings and pay attention to our bodies. At this age in our lives everyone believes their invincible and forgets to slow down, we have the rest our lives to enjoy ourselves.
DeleteI was diagnosed with anxiety disorder years ago, and I too didn't take it seriously because I thought, well everyone has anxiey, but it was until I had a very serious panic attack that I realized that I had to take it seriously and not mess up. And I like the mentality you're explaing about the showing up. It's quite different. Though not everyone can learn by listening and just by being present doesn't mean you're there mentally. The idea of, "hey I showed up everyday, so I should pass!" has affected many students. It's like an automatic give up pass. It's a dominant thought to think.
DeleteLeila,
DeleteI agree with what you're saying but at the same time we sometimes we dont rush to check ourselves out cause we think with time we'll feel better. Obviously, thats the wrong thing to do but nobody ever automatically thinks its something bad. About your school work, thats great that you had perfect attendance. Since you werent an A student to begin with, its good that you were there to at least learn the material being taught. Good luck!
-Jaslyn P
- Leila,
DeleteYou can simply learn from "losing" like you did. You now know to be more careful and responsible which is a good thing, better late than never right? There's nothing wrong with falling behind with your studies as long as you bounce back and not backwards ok? And your right you could succeed just by showing up. You kept going to school and improved for the better
Roger B
Luis Vazquez
ReplyDelete9/10/14
Back when I was in high school I played football my senior year we lost the first 2 games of the season. We were very disappointed on how we started. After these 2 games we realized we needed to get better and improve our game. So throughout the season we made a couple of adjustments and ended up winning a few games and making playoffs. Just because of the fact we started off losing it helped us get better and work way harder to become a better team.
The victorious part about losing is that after you lose you get to learn from it. You learn to get better and improve on whatever it is that you are losing in. It teaches you that when you fall to get right back up and to keep trying. Lessons I learned from times I lost is to just get right back and get better. Focus and pay attention on whatever I may be losing in. To just keep practicing to not lose anymore. Sometimes you have to lose so you can learn how to win.
I disagree with the fact that some people, all they have to do is show up and they get an award or something out of it. They get praised by people just for attending. Back when I use to play sports kids that didn’t play got to get trophies. Sometimes they wouldn’t show up to every practice or every game. But somehow they would still get a trophy. This just teaches kids to be lazy and that you don’t have to try or be good at something to receive an award. You should have to earn success not just show up and expect to be successful.
Luis,
DeleteIt’s awesome how you guys came back from a 0-2 record to changing to a positive record. You guys had a rough start but you managed to make the right adjustments need for the better of the team. Sometimes in anything not just sports, you have to adjust to the situation for the better. In my experience, studying for a test was hard. I would dose off while studying and do other things and before I knew it the test would come and I wish I had really taken my time to study. I changed my method of studying by using index cards which improved my overall studying. Furthermore, I admire how you see a lost as a way to get better and learn from your mistake. You try everything in your will to improve and making sure you don’t make the same mistake twice and make that lost into a “W”!
I also disagree with people getting awards just for showing up. When I was younger we only got trophies for working hard and when we actually deserved them. The people that got praised were the ones that were consistent and put a lot of effort into everything they did. I could imagine how frustrating it must have been seeing kids get awards for just showing up and without doing much.
Delete• Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
ReplyDeleteThere was a time when I was losing more than I was winning, when I use to play softball I would always strike out when I would go up to bat. It bothered me so much, but my coach would always say “youll get it next time!!”. Which I knew it wasn’t true, I knew that with more practice I would get it to actually hit the ball when I would go up. Therefore, when we won games I felt like I lost because of the strike outs. Practice helped accomplish my goals.
• What is so “victorious” about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time you lost.
Sometimes it is victorious to lose. Losing helps you realize what you need to fix in order to achieve. For example, losing a game didn’t mean we weren’t good, it meant that the strategy we were using wasn’t good enough to beat the other team. So that helped us learn from our mistakes to better our team work. We made up a new way to use every player on the field for the next game and we beat the opposite team. That lost we had was a victory because it helped us figure out what we had to do in order to win.
• Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. Give an example of how this plays out in your own experience or observation.
I personally do not agree with this, showing up and succeeding isn’t a good thing. Many students, sports players think that by just showing up it gives them a passing grade. It shouldn’t be like that, they should actually try to succeed not just show up. For example, when I was on the softball team I knew a couple of girls that would make the effort into showing up for practice but wouldn’t put their all into the practices we had. That isn’t going to get you to start in a new and better position, might not even get playing time. So whats the point of being on the team and showing up but not working as hard as the other players? Showing up and expecting to succeed isn’t going to end well at the end of the day.
-Franchesca Bourdier
Franchesca,
DeleteI can definitely relate to your softball story. I was the youngest and slowest during the practices but I didn't mind because I knew I would eventually get better one day especially when I would go up to bat and maybe I'll do it without getting nervous. I like how your team handle the lost the way you guys thought of it as a victory because you guys knew what to do on the next game in order to win. I agree that you don’t think showing up isn't succeeding because most kids don't try at all in school or in sports. Even though I wrote the opposite, some kids do when showing up end up learning something without realizing it.
Michelle Gonzalez
Franchesca ,
DeleteFrom what I see , when you used to play softball you did put yourself down and thought you could never get it next time and that you could never make it. That’s already a bad attitude , don’t be so negative , we are all able to do something and we are all smart in our own way and I am very sure you are a brilliant person as well. Next time you have a big obstacle in front of of you , don’t say “ Oh no , this is too big for me , I will never do it” , but instead say “I’ll try my best!” , after all everything is possible. Like you said , losing helps you see the things you need to “fix” , in order to succeed and get better. If we would never lose , than what would we learn? Nothing. We all just need to accept it when we lose and get right back up and start fresh , for a great victory
Sincerely ,
Leila Fragiacomo
From what I see Franchesca always doubted her self when she was at bat, she never had confidence in her self. I think she should of gave her self some more self confidence. Knowing you wont be able to hit the ball doesn't give you reason to sort of give up on your self. You should push your self harder and harder until you make things right, and your able to go up to bat with out doubting that you may hit the ball.
DeleteTIFFANY CEIJAS
Jaslyn Ponce
ReplyDeleteGrowing up, my sister and I had a close relationship and although there was a small age gap between us, she always taught me things she was doing. She played sports and was in a higher grade than me so she tried introducing me to the things she was into to see if we had common interest. I was not as good in sports as she was but she didn’t give up on teaching me. On weekends we would have game days, and since I wasn’t as good, I always lost to her. There was never a game that we played I would win against my sister.
What makes losing victorious is that it can push you to do better, it can make you want to practice more, and it can even prove your dedication to achieving what you want. By losing, we can focus more on why we failed and do our best to improve those flaws. Winning all the time isn’t a good lesson because we don’t really see the value in what we’re doing. In losing we build a stronger passion and a more intense connection. We learn to appreciate the times we do win, because there’s always a 50/50 possibility in every decision we make.
In the article “Losing Is Good for You” by Ashley Merryman, she means that just showing up to practice is good enough to succeed. Regardless of how you play as an individual, you get rewarded as a team. Therefore, if you are on a good team, but are sitting out most of the games, you’re still getting the recognition everyone else is. Since the team is treated as a whole, how you play really doesn’t matter because as long as you show up to practice, you are a part of the losing or winning outcome.
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DeleteI can relate to your response. Especially with my sister teaching me new things and sports. She was always better then me. It taught me to practice harder so one day I can beat her and that is exactly what I did. Great Job with your response.
Delete-Krystal Garcia
The time when I lost more often than I won was when I transferred to a different school during my sophomore year. I was failing on the most important subjects which was geometry and English II. At my old school I was an honor student and I would understand the work that was giving to me but at this new school everything was different especially the grading system. Just when I was winning at the beginning I started to lose. The only thing that was going to through my head was that I wasn’t going to make it through my sophomore year.
ReplyDeleteLosing is victorious because it’s an experience that will help you when succeeding. It helps you learn from the mistakes you done that caused you to lose. When transferring to a different and kept failing my classes, I learned just to keep trying my best and study more. Because of my studying I passed my classes and throughout my high school years I became an honor student again. Sometimes losing is a good thing.
I think the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding is mostly for the participation such as school, sports, or any other events. However, the more you participate by showing up, without realizing it you end up learning something that might be helpful during a time in your life. When I was ten years old, I joined a softball team mostly because my mother wanted me to join but even though I wasn’t really into the sport I did learn how to play. I’m happy I showed up to the practices because I met new friends that would help out with my skills and the play. By participating in the sport it succeeded in me liking the sport till today.
Michelle Gonzalez
i agree with what was stated, this was a good example on winning and losing.she was failing the most important subject which were geometry and english which were extremely important in order to pass the grade. studying helped her out with her grades to bring them up from failing grades. i believe she learned why losing is victorious, it teaches you lessons and makes you learn for the better, to make your weak areas stronger. I agree on what she stated which was showing up to something as long as you participate you will learn something new, its all about trying your best. Many fail to realize that if you don't put in hard work its not worth even showing up. Her ideas were logic and made sense, I don't think she was of topic at any point of her responses.
Delete-Franchesca Bourdier
Thank you for agreeing with me Franchesca. I do believe that while participating it doesn't hurt to try and put some effort into it. It did help me learn for the better and my weaknesses became my strength. I don’t mind losing in anything even though it'll sometimes make you feel disappointment but I don’t think anybody else should mind losing either because it helps you gain success.
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I totally agree with you Michelle, sometimes losing is a good thing. You didn't want to transfer because you had everything already such as, your good grade, friends and known teachers but if you wouldn't of transferred you wouldn't of tried something new. You wouldn't have known the different grading systems other schools have. You started low but you picked yourself right up and that's what makes you a better person. Also being in something you didn't like at first always turns on you and you end up liking it. Softball is a great sport and I'm happy you got to try it and like it.
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One of my favorite artist’s had 5 consecutive albums that hit number one. He made it big in the rap game so his name is well respected. You can say he won because of the movies he was in, the fame, and the money he made from rapping but before that he was losing more in life. He was homeless, a drug addict, and he was in and out of jail.
ReplyDeleteThe “victorious” part from losing is the lesson learned from it. What it doesn’t take to win. The artist was a “born loser” but built to win. His story is real and is a good example along with others that nothing is impossible. You just have to find the lesson but in his case the blessing in disguise.
The motivation is taken away if all you got to do is show up and you succeed. Showing up and succeeding means you don’t have to do anything special, no hard work, and you get to “win.” “Everybody’s a winner” which is not true. Everybody’s different.
Roger ,
DeleteI totally agree with you on everything you've said, but I do have to say that i personally think that yes , everybody is a winner. We are all capable of something , yes we are all different , and we all have different talents , stories , ect... but in the end we are all winners because we all end up succeeding in something. I don’t know what is your dream or what you want to do as a profession one day , or what you would like to succeed in , but I am very sure you will. Obviously we also have to be willingly to put in hard work , because in the end it pays off. I am sure you will be one successful person too , like your favorite artist :)
Wish you All the best ,
Leila
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ReplyDelete1) There were multiple occasions where I would lose more than I would win. In this case it would be arguments that included me. I don’t care if I would win or lose I simply avoid it especially when it is unnecessary. Most of the time everybody just wants to be right and won’t admit they are wrong at times. In this case me not arguing or even giving up in the middle of it, I in a sense lose. The point I could have made won’t be of importance anymore and it ultimately forgotten or lose value.
ReplyDelete2) Either you win or lose both sides in a sense have a different feeling of being “victorious”. On the winning side you have the winners basking in victory and all the work and effort they put in pays off. On the losing side you have people learning the importance of acceptance. They also learn how to commit in fixing their errors and sometimes motivation. There was this one time when I used to be in a class that consists of tae kwon do. At one point I joined a tournament of some kind (details were kind of vague) and it was one of those occasions were you showed up and you get an award for at least trying. At first I did not want to be here as I slowly started disliking this class. Ultimately I ended up in 2nd and 3rd places in certain areas. At one point I was upset because the person I was with didn’t know what to do and forgot what exactly to do so my instructor told me that he would just mimic me. I didn’t mind until the end came and he placed higher than me. It took a while for me to realize though I was handed an award for just being here I also experience a moment of loss. I simply thought what I was doing was bad and he simply did better but that’s not the case. I just simply took that feeling and convert it for motivation to do better. Finding that strive is something most people can’t seem to find and I count that as a victory for this and the next challenge.
3) It is not really a matter of succeeding but more of a showing up kind of thing. At a 3rd person angle you would see how blind parents and the children can be. If you would ask the children individual what is the meaning of a challenge and an accomplishment they would easily answer it. Then if you would ask what it would takes to earn a trophy they would probably respond just show up and play. Key word “play” not compete and idea of challenging yourself and a spark for motivation would die out and become a pastime. This is not a wise system because eventually when they get older they would develop lazy characteristics and affect society as a whole.
I agree with your 3 bullet, that if you ask kids how to earn a trophy they would say by showing, because honestly what type of challenge would they do how would they learn threw experience, showing up without effect and win something it's not fair for the kids who actually do try. i also agree with it being a bad system, because what would they learn, there going to have it in mind that all you go to do is show up in order to win something, so i agree with you 100%.
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DeleteI also agree with your response, especially the last one. Some kids don’t understand what it really takes to succeed. They believe just by showing up and as you stated "play" is appropriate, which it isn't. Adults aren’t motivating the kids to compete. It definitely isn't fair for the kids that are doing their best and competing. In my opinion it affects all the kids that are there. The kids that are participating might just give up and start “playing” because they know they will get a reward at the end anyways because the other kids are. As for the other kids will keep doing what they always do because nobody is correcting them and they get rewarded anyways.
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ReplyDelete>Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
ReplyDeleteThere were multiple occasions where I had lost more than I won. Back when I was in 6th grade, I moved 3 times within the school year. I started out the school year in Carteret, NJ, moved around December to Union City, due to a house fire, than finally ended up ,moving to Secaucus, NJ in March. Although I switched from school to school that year I was maintaining my grades at a B average. But, once I transferred to Secaucus I ended up failing my classes. The material that was introduced to me at the time was completely different then what I was learning in my former schools.
>What is so “victorious” about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time when you lost.
I believe that losing is “victorious” because it helps you learn from the mistakes you made and will give you the experience to help you achieve. When I was in 7th grade I transferred from Secaucus to North Bergen in the beginning of February. Thanks to the past experience I went threw I pushed myself to stay at a B average and pass to enter 8th grade. In my opinion losing is a great way to motivate you in the future.
>Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. Give an example of how this plays out in your own experience or observation.
The larger cultural message “to succeed, you just have to show up”, in my perspective is not the proper way to succeed. You can’t just show up to an event, sport practice, or school and expect to succeed. Know a days a lot of sports and activities give out trophies to the youth for just being at the event. For example, my daughter is in cheerleading and there is another girl that shows up to every practice but doesn’t participate in the workouts. She wonders around and does her own thing. At the end of the practice she still gets rewarded for doing nothing the coach was teaching. I believe a child should get rewarded if they participate in the activity or tried to participate.
-Krystal Garcia
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DeleteI agree with your cultural message. Kids just can't show up to a programs and expect a trophy. They need to fully participate in the program. Your message was similar to my message because we both thought the kids were being lazy for just participating for the program and expecting a trophy. You gave good points with your cultural message and your ideas were valid.
I agree with your response that if you learn from your mistakes if will help you gain experience to succeed in life. For example, you pushed yourself to the limit to pass with a B and you pass 7th grade to go to 8th grade. Losing will be tough for a person to deal with, but if they can get them self motivated, they can be a better person in the end. When a person is willing to do whatever that they want to do that will help them achieve their dreams. Different people has different experience in their lives that they have to go deal with to make it better.
DeleteThere was a time in my life where I lost more often than I won. I decided I wanted to look for a job, but for some reason I just couldn’t find one. I didn’t get much support from my family because they didn’t want me to get a job. Instead, they told me to focus in school because if I start working then all I’m going to worry about is money. I didn’t listen to them because I knew they were totally wrong. I applied at many places including clothing stores and fast food restaurants but I just wouldn’t get called back at some places I went they would ask if I have experience and well of course I didn’t.
ReplyDeleteI have no doubt that at the end of the day losing makes you a better person, but I honestly don’t think there’s anything victorious about losing, especially when you’re constantly losing because eventually you’ll feel bad about yourself and you’ll think you’re no good for anything. Don’t get me wrong I understand that we don’t always have to win, but losing all the time should feel horrible. One of the lessons that I learned from this was that life isn’t easy and that I must keep trying to get to where I want and in order for me to do that I have to lose first.
I don’t see anything positive about the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. The reason why I don’t it’s because the students end up learning nothing. All there are doing is teaching them that it’s okay to be lazy when in reality it’s not because in a real life situation they won’t know what to do or they’ll want other people to do what they’re supposed to themselves.
-Yaneska M.
Yaneska,
ReplyDeleteLooking for a job is getting more difficult. Lack of experience or simply by not having the right connections affect landing a job or not. As soon as you land your first job you can use the experience gained for future jobs you would want to apply too. I like what you said about there not being anything victorious about losing, but for you to have lost in something you must of made a mistake. Learning from you mistake can be a victorious scenario because you can analyze why you made the mistake and what you much do in order to not make the same mistake again. Lastly, i have to agree with you when mentioned how basically people are making the wrong decision by telling kids that its alright to be lazy. Being lazy will get you no where.
-Ulises Herrera
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1.) The time when I lost more often than I won was when I assume I did good on Algebra work and test's every that they give me. The problem was that even though I could do the work, but I did horribly on the tests themselves. At the time I was surprise and bit confused when I get back some of tests because I wonder I do good with the work itself but yet do bad on a test. When I get home I'm wondering to myself is it that i didn't study hard enough or i wasn't focus or something i was disappointed of myself because of it. Also because that I had to repeat the class itself sadly it like what old saying says, "You win some and you lose some" but in my case I lost cause of testing.
2.) What is really "victorious" about losing it is a life lesson in which a person can improve from their failure not everything is about winning. It a personal lesson in which you can learn from and try better afterward when same event comes along next time. For example, a school football team loses in a championship game due to a couple of mistakes that they did. The depression and sadness in their expression that you seen because they lost an major game, but failing is apart of life itself an obstacle in which we can reflect upon. That is why losing is "victorious" in it own way.
3.) During my years when I was in high school at the time I knew a kids in one previous classes who thought he was all that. However to be honest he was, he be there for attendances and finish the class work the fastest. He’s always scoring a 100 the time in test even though at he would rush with his work. The usual days he'd saying, "oh I already know all this that I shouldn't here and put any effort towards the work" like any kids say. Although in the last marking period he just slack off, often would skip class and then when is came for the final exam he didn't even show up and ending up flunking the class. It just for show that even though you may be extremely smart and doing all the work doesn't mean you get to slack off on the crucial and then think you'll succeed in the end.
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DeleteI agree with your response that also I was bad in high school. I thought that math would be easy but it wasn't. I studied whatever the teacher put on the board and later on i was doing so well. I had same problem with someone being prideful, but karma is going to get him eventually and it did. I learn that you should listen to the teacher and study hard so you could go further in the future. If a student don't study they cannot succeed in the future to reach your dreams.
Delete-A time when I lost more than I won was when I was much younger and my two older brothers would always wrestle me. It was always survival of the fittest in my home after school. They said I have to learn how to defend myself or get spit on, so there wasn't really much of a choice. Though I lost the majorities of times, I would always learn much more each time. How to grab them from the back or trip them. It was a difficult experience.
ReplyDelete-What is victorious about losing is the prior knowledge you gain after. You get more experiences and learn from your mistakes. In another example of mine is when my friend and I were younger, and we would compete in his families pool; who could dive and swim in perfectly to the other side. I would always win and he would be a sore loser afterwards. Our parents convinced him that not every lost is a loss. Meaning, so what if you lost, even to a female. It’s about watching how I did it and try the same. Also, not everyone can be a great swimmer, so have to learn to deal with not knowing everything.
-Showing up and succeeding send a strong cultural message in our society. Many times it’s seen as good enough to show up, to show that you tried and you put effort. It helps send a message that we should be conscious of the efforts people put into something, that it’s trying that counts. This is really stupid, people should not be given a false sense of accomplishment from failing, failure is failure and nothing more. The more we encourage this, the more we are encouraging people to not be successful and to just try, because “trying is enough”. Just showing up holds no real importance except to save the ego of someone who isn’t good enough, and it fills them with delusions.
1. My junior year when I found out I failed the math section of the HSPA test, and I had to take AHSA class my senior year. I had no free period because I was stuck in a class I didn’t want to be in the first place. After a couple of days of feeling sorrow for myself, the only thing that was left was to pay attention in class. The AHSA test was two months away so there was no time to fool around if I want to get out of this class I must pass the AHSA class on the first try. After two months of learning all the tips I can remember test day has arrived, and I was determined and focus to pass it on the first try. I had to wait a month to get the test result I was confident enough that I pass the test, and when my teacher got the test result and told me I pass my award was getting out of AHSA class and I finally got a free period
ReplyDelete2. What I learn from the time I lost was patient. Being in a class for three months that I didn’t want to take in the first place required a lot of patients. It was hard at first because I don’t have the patient to being with. What I also learnt is that I couldn't feel angry or sorry for myself, I had to accept that I failed and move on. I had to walk it off and make the best out of my situation.
3. In my AHSA class, there were some people that thought all you have to do is show up to the class, and you will pass the test. Which is false, and a good portion of the class had to learn the hard way. In life you cant just show up to your job or school and expect a raise or good grades. You must show up and do all your work and down the road everything you ask for you will receive.
-Kelvin m
Kelvin,
DeleteI totally agree with your response, mostly because I too had failed the math section of the HSPA test. I had take an AHSA class, although during my junior year of high school it is true that a good portion learn it the hard way. The classmate that I had during that time mostly didn't care about the test some what but consider this further. Although that a portion didn't want too, maybe half of that portion probably wanted to pass but never was encouraged too and ended up failing. However in end of it all they are responsible for their own decision as just but will end up realizing their mistake at some point and try to correct it.
Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
ReplyDeleteOnce there was a time in my sophomore year when I thought that I had won but in reality I had lost was when I was taking my first Chemistry class. I thought I was so good at it and confident in all my work I let it get into my head. Even to the point where I thought I knew the subject so good, that I didn’t even have to study at home, I would just go to school and take the test. That mindset I had worked for a couple of weeks until the challenging chapters came along because I wasn’t really studying and understanding I was just remembering and testing. So when the time came for me to implement what I had learned in the beginning of the year into the late chapters I was stuck. That was the moment I really suffered a loss because I thought I was winning when I was just wasting time and eventually I had to go back and review it all.
What is so "victorious" about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time when you lost.
Majority of the time suffering a loss is good because you get to learn from your mistakes and implement it into your future. Like me ignoring the fact to study and just move forward into my tests was hurting me instead of benefitting because I was just setting myself further away from achieving my goals. I wasn’t learning I was just remembering what was said.
Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. Give an example of how this plays out in your own experience or observation.
Generally the idea of showing up and succeeding doesn’t only apply of materialistic things. The situation with me succeeding is going to my father’s shop and helping him out. The economy is down and most people are struggling. My victory is not something materialistic like a trophy or medal. It is the sense of security and us being there for each other.
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ReplyDelete•Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
ReplyDeleteBack in high school my freshman year, I tried out for my high school volleyball team. I wasn't the best but I wasn't the worst either. I was good at bumping the ball, setting it for serve, and also underhand serving. there was one little problem though. I had trouble spiking the ball, overhand serving, and didn't have much control over the ball most of the time, which in volleyball is really important. I was so embarrassed because all these girls around me knew how to serve which was my main weakness. I for some reason couldn't get the rhythm to it. I would practice and practice and saw no results of getting better. It was so frustrating cause I couldn't understand why all the others girls could do it and make it seem so easy and I just couldn't do it. It was so bad that I caused the team to lose our first scrimmage and never made it on the team that year. I was so upset and disappointed with myself because I knew that I could've made the team if I just pushed myself a little harder. So that was exactly what I did. That fall and summer I spent it in a courtyard by my house with my ex boyfriend spiking my volleyball against a brick wall. My ex would set it up for me to spike and I kept doing it over and over till I slowly got the rhythm of it. Later on one night we went to go play volleyball together at the same courtyard and I finally got it. I was so shocked I couldn't believe I was finally getting the hang of it. After that I got a lot better at it and would get so many compliments from the volleyball girls in the team and from classmates in gym saying I should definitely tryout again.
•What is so "victorious" about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time when you lost.
What's so victorious about losing is that no one wants to be a loser, everyone wants to win. So when you lose it makes you want to do better. It also shows you that losing is a part of life. No matter how good you are at something you cant always win and neither can you always be the best. There will always be someone better. Losing also helps you become better. If you're constantly winning at something, you're not going to put so much effort into it. As for when you lose you want to try and be better. My experience made me realize not to get too comfortable even when you're really good at something because even the best players have their bad days. It also taught me that sometimes losing isn't so bad, it teaches you that practice really is everything and changes your way in thinking. For example, when I got the hang of spiking the ball it made me become so confident in myself because I practiced and pushed myself so much to get better. If I didn't struggle with it at all I would probably be cocky about it and it wouldn't have meant much to me.
• Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding.
My observation and experience about cultural message by showing up and succeeding is that showing up is easy, its participating and actually trying that's important. There's no point in showing up if you're not going to put in any effort to succeed. The way this plays out in my experience is that if I didn't make any effort in showing up to tryouts and practice my behind off I would've never gotten better. It was so easy for me to show up and call it a day but when I would show up I knew I wanted to become better and know how to spike that ball. I also knew the only way that would ever happen was if I really put in effort and tried my hardest everyday. Eventually all that hard work paid off.
-Vanessa S.
• Discuss a time when you lost more often than you won.
ReplyDeleteI lose mostly in the arguments with my friends, especially on sport subjects. We are soccer fans and we always talk about who’s going to make it to the world cup. I remember when we were watching the world cup tournament Columbia against Brazil and I was rooting for Columbia to win, and my friend for the other team. We were arguing that one of our teams was going to win and he won and I lost a bet. I am not really god at arguments at al or winning bets.
• What is so "victorious" about losing? Discuss any lessons you learned during a time when you lost.
Losing victoriously is really helpful for gaining wisdom of what mistakes that you made so you can make it better. It will help you to remember what you did wrong, and what you need to fix your mistake. Before, I really was bad at arguing but the experience from losing most of the time gave me the wisdom to think one step ahead of thinking before saying anything. It was a struggle to lose all the time, but I kept telling myself to never give up in the long run. I learned to become a better person motivated to take on my life.
• Discuss the larger cultural message implied by showing up and succeeding. Give an example of how this plays out in your own experience or observation.
I believe the cultural message for losing is to learn from your mistakes and fix it. Everyone can make mistakes or lose in sports, video games or etc. I remember When I was eight years old that I made mistakes and lost on my favorite game. I used to be prideful to be prideful with myself, but that pride got me to make mistakes and lose many times and I thought to myself that there are people who are better than me. I’ve learned through all of my loss that I got to practice hard to become better. I learn if you lose more often you gain the wisdom that can help you overcome the mistakes and help someone that can make the same mistakes.
Freddy,
DeleteI agree from what you saying, the way that you view how someone can learn from "losing" through different prospective. What I mostly like is the first answer because it's true that a lot of people their own sport team that they favor or like. What the fans would like to see is their favorite team to win there will always be that moment of disappointment. There always be another world cup which give them another chance grab onto their in becoming world champs. That is why they shouldn't give up and continue to improve from what they lack.
Ever Ronquillo
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A time when I lost more than I won was when I first joined a soccer team. I have always played soccer in the park for fun, but this was my first time playing in an actual team and going against other teams in a real game. There were many things I didn't understand about playing in an organized game. I didn't know about positions, tactics, formations, when to run, when to defend, when and where to pass to, off the ball movement and many other things. I was used to getting the ball, running towards the goal and shooting because this is how we played in the park, but there is much more to the game than that. During my first season I had a hard time understanding all of this and I found myself on the bench most of the time. It was very frustrating but as time went on I learned more and more about the game.
Losing isn't always a negative experience because there's many positives you can learn from it. One of those positives is that it makes you mentally tough. People that are used to winning usually break under pressure when things get though. They don't know how to deal with losing. Many times they end up giving up completely.
These days kids expect to be rewarded just by showing up and thats because they have been brought up this way. Many of my class mates in middle school and high school expected to pass just because they showed up. Theres also many kids in sports teams that expect to play as soon as they are there and they also expect to win medals. They expect all of this without working for it. When people grow up with this “show up and succeed” mentality they usually have a hard time coping with the real world.